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J P's avatar
Mar 4Edited

I don't know you. Your Substack popped up because I follow Ben Appel and John McWhorter. Yet we come together, though membership isn't required :)

In an ironic way, it looks like some nonconformists still find each other. It often happens online for me, but I keep trying to connect IRL. It looks to me like a kind of candle lit in the window that sends a signal to anyone who walks by at night. Today, that candle's light is Substack or Reddit or something online; but less and less IRL. It is strange for me because it feels like a digital island that separates like minded people.

I've been distancing myself more and more from a group who I'm officially a member. This group screams progressive liberal woke in defense of social justice. Privately, though, some members sound to me that they'll criticize that message, and are much more motivated by supporting a person in their community.

One member who I also occasionally work with holds complex views that I've not quite figured out, but the group will quickly drop her name because she's trans. I've never seen this person act in SJW ways that the group is constantly drumbeating about. We talk about mundane things that many people experience in life: a more reliable car, working double shifts, and of course following "orders" from this group's leadership, etc. That to me is real. I don't need a membership to be a good neighbor to her or anyone.

So I think the great struggle for independent thinkers is the solidarity argument. Is it really the case that only group solidarity can substantially change our world?

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Yes. There is a reason A Wrinkle In Time speaks to you and me. I realised a long time that I am a nonconforming nonconformist. It is far easier to be a conforming nonconformist, but I could never colour within the lines.

I was just reading about the Solomon Asch Line Experiment and conformity. It is basically how to break groupthink, but it is clear that certain ideologies also understand the experiment and have used it to great effect.

The main take away I have from experiment is that some people will dissent when they know the truth is being subverted, but most will go along with the crowd. If there are other people who refuse to go along, it becomes much easier to stand up for one's ideals.

Thank you for writing your stack, James I always enjoy reading it.

Oh, when it comes out in the US -- you must watch I Swear as it raises some interesting issues

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